Selling a Blog for 7 Figures after 3 years of Starting it with JD Roth

Finance writer. Crossfit junkie. Spanish learner. Founded http://getrichslowly.org and now write at http://jdroth.com – J.D. Roth

The reason why I was on CNN was because of this man! His blog not only helped me get new subscribers and press, but it also helped me to get out of debt years ago. JD Roth of GetRichSlowly.org talks about how he grew his site, and got a huge payout. We talk about what would work now and what wouldn’t work in growing your blog, and of course we talk about getting out of debt and getting in control of your finances again!

Resources Mentioned in the Podcast:

• Built to Last by Jim Collins and Jerry I. Porras
• Be Your Own CFO – Get Rich Slowly
• How to Get Control of Your Time and Your Life by Alan Lakein
• Mr. Money Mustache
• GetRichSlowly.org
• The Millionaire Fastlane by MJ DeMarco

Go to JDRoth.com for more info!

 

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Thanks so much for listening!

Transcript:

Announcer: Welcome to the Eventual Millionaire podcast - with your host, Jaime Tardy. Real talk and real advice from real millionaires, with a sharp focus on you - the Eventual Millionaire.

Jaime: Welcome to Eventual Millionaire. I'm Jaime Tardy and I am so excited to have my good friend J.D. Roth on the show. He runs a site, or he used to run a site, called GetRichSlowly.org which I adored when I was a baby blogger, long, long ago. in fact I credit a lot of my success to J.D. because when I did a guest post on his site at the very, very beginning of Eventual Millionaire I got 400 subscribers from it but I also ended up having someone from CNN find me from his site which is how I got on Yahoo!'s homepage, which made me famous. Thank you so much for coming on the show today, J.D., I really appreciate it.

J.D.: It's my pleasure.

Jaime: So tell me a little bit about Get Rich Slowly, because I started Eventual Millionaire before it crashed and died back in 2006. You were blogging around that time too - tell me about the start of Get Rich Slowly.

J.D.: So, first of all, you need to understand that Get Rich Slowly was not my first blog. I've been blogging since before "blog" was even a word, is what I say. My first online journal, which is what I used to call it, was in 1997 and then I had other web journals in 1998 and 1999 and when the Blogger software came out I signed up for it in 2001 and started my first actual blog. So I had had a personal blog for a long time but I wrote about cats and computers and comic books and the other things that interested me, I didn't write about personal finance because, to be honest, I sucked at money - I was deep in debt and I was struggling. But in 2004 my wife and I, she's now my ex-wife, although she's still a friend, bought a new house - we upgraded our house - and on paper we could afford it but when it came to remodeling and paying for the mortgage and all the other stuff it just felt like I was drowning in debt because I was carrying a lot of consumer debt before we upgraded the house. So I started reading books about personal finance and as I read the books I realized that there were certain themes that were common among them. they all said different things and had their own spin on personal finance but they all seemed to be saying that you can't get rich quickly, which is what I wanted to do - I wanted to get rich quickly or get out of debt quickly - but you can get rich slowly, and here's how to do it. Just for my own edification I wrote an article on my personal site, where I was writing about cats and comic books and so on, and I summarized the ideas that I had found in these books and, for whatever reason, this article became very, very popular in the young world of blogs and it got linked to from around the blogosphere and it planted this seed for an idea. About a year later, on April 15th 2006, I started GetRichSlowly.org as a means to chronicle what I was learning about money, how I was digging out of debt, the mistakes I was making, the successes I was having, as a way to just share what I was doing with family and friends, but as sometimes happens it went beyond just family and friends and I gained this huge readership that I never expected and actually made a lot of money, a hell of a lot of money, from the site and it became my job and now I write about personal finance as a career and I never would have guessed that 10 years ago.

Jaime: Which is weird - it's so interesting to hear the progression of how this goes, because you were taking action. You were doing it for fun - writing blogs that made you no money, I'm assuming.

J.D.: It didn't even occur to me that I ought to try to make money. I don't know why. You see, I come from an entrepreneurial background - my father was a serial entrepreneur, he was always starting businesses and a couple of the businesses were very successful, some of them weren't. The business that he left us when he died was very successful and it was supporting us at the time - I was a box salesmen back in 2004.

Jaime: Whoo, sexy!

J.D.: Yeah, exactly. It's a company that makes shipping boxes for industrial clients, so I sold those and, oh boy, I had a direction I was going here. Oh yeah, making money from the blogs - I was actually opposed to the monetization of blogs at the start. I was vocally opposed to it and my friends knew it, but one day I was bemoaning my fate and how life was unfair to me and I never had enough money and this is kind of funny but I was sitting in the bathtub and I was reading a book called "The Millionaire Maker" by Loral Langemeier. In a way it's a get-rich-quick book but not really, it's got some good ideas in it and one of them just sparked something inside me. I can't remember how she phrases it exactly but she talks about creating a money machine or something like that, basically talking about creating passive income, and something just clicked right there in the bathtub and I stood up, got out of the bathtub, toweled off, went and sat at the kitchen table, naked, dripping wet, my wife is like "What the hell is going on?" and I plotted what I was going to 0 I was going to start making money from my personal blog. I was also going to start a comic book blog because I was really passionate about comic books. This was March of 2006, I think I could find the exact date, actually. I put ads on my personal blog and I started my comic book blog and just as kind of an afterthought I started Get Rich Slowly because I thought "This is the most popular article I ever wrote on my personal site; maybe I could be the first personal finance blog on the internet." I didn't realize there were already dozens of blogs out there, writing about money.

Jaime: Isn't that funny? Dozens!

J.D.: Yeah, I know - dozens! So I monetized it. At the beginning I didn't really have this concept that I could monetize blogs, in fact I thought it was bad to monetize websites, I thought it was corrupting the web.

Jaime: Let's talk a little bit about that, because I think it's interesting that you were completely broke yet you were not willing to make money on something that you could make something on, so tell me about that and how that changed.

J.D.: Well, first of all you have to understand that I'm old school - I've been on the web since 1993 and there wasn't advertising at the start. Banner ads were a blight when they came about - we hated them. So I vowed that I would never do that. But here's another tangentially related thing - I played a game called World of Warcraft, an online role playing game, when it came out. I was really heavily involved in it, I loved it, and one of my favorite things was doing what's called auction house arbitrage. I would go to the auction house and I would find things that were underpriced - magic bows or fancy boots or whatever - and I would buy them cheap and I would resell them for higher prices and I made a lot of gold, fake gold, doing that. Also at the same time I had two businesses - I had the box business that I was helping to manage and I had my own personal computer consulting company and both of these were very, very successful - I had great profits with these. So I could see that I could run businesses successfully but for some reason I couldn't run my personal finances successfully. So everything in 2004 just kind of came together - reading the personal finances books, doing the auction house arbitrage with World of Warcraft, realizing that I could manage my life as a business - I said "Okay, why don't I try to do this? Put it all together and get out of debt," and that's when I decided that "Okay, for me, the best way to do it, since I love writing for the web, is to just buckle in, surrender and put advertising on my website."

Jaime: Done. The rest is history. So tell me a little bit about, in a short form, because I know it was many years of growth for Get Rich Slowly, but tell me how it went. Was it super easy, where you put out articles and everyone loved them? I mean we don't want to hear that so tell me something else.

J.D.: To be honest it was pretty much like that.

Jaime: No!

J.D.: The thing is, I put out articles all the time at the start. I'm not a marketer, not in any way, so whenever there's anything that I do that requires marketing I usually have to have a partner because they have to handle the marketing and the example there is the Get Rich Slowly course that I'll talk about later. If I was responsible for marketing, that wouldn't happen. For me, what I do is I like to write, and I like to tell stories, whether they're my stories or other people's stories, and, for whatever reason, when I tell stories they resonate with people. This has been going on all my life - when I was in third grade I started writing stories so I've always been a writer or wanted to be a writer. So with Get Rich Slowly what I did was go out and find material that other people had written and tried to encapsulate it in some other form for other people. This other material could be books, it could be magazine articles, it could be web articles, whatever. I would try to summarize it and, at the same time, I would tell stories about my life, like "I just went to the public library. Isn't this a cheap way to get books?" or "Oh, doggone it, I bought Countrywide stock and it crashed and now I'm out $5000." I would just tell different stories and this resonated with people and at the same time I was trying to provide useful, actionable information, talking about what worked for me and what didn't work for me and the site just grew much quicker than I thought possible. I went from having zero readers on April 15th 2006 to, a year later, having something like 15,000 subscribers and two years later I had over 50 or 60,000 and three years later, when I sold the site, I was at 100,000.

Jaime: So you only had it for three years before you sold it?

J.D.: Yes, almost exactly three years, in fact.

Jaime: That's insane. For some reason I thought it was a lot longer. So tell me how that went.

J.D.: I stuck around for three years after. The interesting thing is that it never occurred to me that somebody might want to buy a blog, especially a blog that was so rooted in one person's identity, but people want to buy anything that makes money if they can use it to make more money. So, for a variety of reasons, in early 2009 I decided that I would listen to all of these people that had been offering to buy the blog and see what offers come. I got a couple of offers and the biggest offer would have required me to stick around for three years as an employee and I didn't want to do that. I said "No, I want to walk," for a variety of reasons, again, I just wanted to be done. So I took a huge reduction, like a 30% reduction, in the offer in order to be able to walk away. But then, and this is the silly thing, I stuck around for three years anyway acting as primary contributor to Get Rich Slowly. So I left 30% on the table, is what it amounts to. It was sad but you can't regret that - you've got to make the best decisions you can at the time based on the information you have. So I stuck around at Get Rich Slowly for six, six and a half years before I retired for a year and now I'm back writing two or three times a month.

Jaime: So you still write for Get Rich Slowly. I want to talk about blogging today, because I feel like you've seen it from the beginning, not totally the beginning but you were right there, and how far it's come and the trending for the future and what that looks like. So tell me how far it's come in that many years.

J.D.: This is an interesting topic. To be honest, a lot of times I feel as though I'm out of touch on what blogging is today, because my philosophy and my ideals and my work ethic is rooted in 10 years ago. I'm going to give you an example - just the other day a blogger that I had never heard of sent me his URL and said "Hey, I would really appreciate it if you would take a look at my site and give me some feedback." Usually I don't have time for this but I said "What the hell, I'll do it." So I went and took a look at this site and it's very much a modern blog - there are no dates on any of the posts, there's no link to the archives, he's anonymous or semi-anonymous, there's just very little information on there that's useful to me as a reader. Instead, the blog is designed for search engines and I feel like nowadays so many blogs are search engine friendly instead of reader friendly and I understand why people do this but I think it's misguided because, yes, you get traffic from search engines and the search engine traffic generally tends to be the traffic that converts but ultimately what you're after is readers and loyal readers - what Chris Guillebeau might call a small army or Seth Godin might call a tribe. This is what you want - you want devoted readers because these people are going to share the content with other people and they're going to link to your site, they're going to e-mail your articles to friends and this is how you grow a site and you can't do that if you're creating a user-unfriendly site. I feel very strongly about this so I got back to this guy who sent me his site to review and he hasn't got back to me yet. I feel very strongly that a lot of people start blogs today with the sole intention of making money and I think that's misguided. Any time you're doing something only for the purpose of making money, first of all, it's going to feel like work rather than pleasure and, second, people, most of the time, are going to see that and they're not going to respond as well as if you were doing it for some other purpose.

Jaime: Tell me about starting a blog to make money. A lot of people do this - it's easy to start a blog and, hey, look at you, you sold your blog for lots and lots of money, so they want to be like J.D. But now, in today's landscape, where there are so many blogs, lots of competition, different to when you started, do you think it's a good idea?

J.D.: I don't think it's a bad idea. I think if you're solely aiming at the money, though, you're not doing it right. I point to myself as an example - I never did this to make money. Well, yes, I did do it to make money, it was a way for me to leverage something that I was good at in a way that was profitable, but as I was writing it, I didn't make my decisions based on whether they would make me money or not - I didn't say "I'm going to write about credit cards because that's going to make me money." I wrote about what my readers wanted me to write about, what was current in the news and what was relevant in my life. I didn't cater my content towards the money. That wasn't my mission, I guess. If you look at Chris Guillebeau and "The Art of Non-Conformity" he does not do his stuff aimed at making money. Yes, he wants to make money, but it's a byproduct of what he does, not his primary goal. I think if you look at some of the other very successful blogs in the persona finance space, they did not start with the intention of making money. Now, Ramit Sethi has done very well, he's probably the most successful personal finance blogger and now, yes, absolutely, he writes to make money, but he also makes sure that he's helping readers along the way - when he started, it wasn't with the intention of making money. I look at someone like Mr. Money Mustache who might have the most successful new blog in the past couple of years and he absolutely does not do it with the intention of making money - he's trying to create a movement. Part of the Get Rich Slowly course that I recently completed is a guide called "Be Your Own CFO" and my premise is that if people were to manage their life as a business they would be more successful with their personal finances and one of the things I say in there is that the most successful companies, such as Apple, which is an example I use, don't have making money as their primary purpose - it's a byproduct of doing something else. Steve Jobs, when he was alive, was very vocal about this - he said "We don't make decisions based on what's going to make us profitable in the short term. That's the wrong way to look at it; that's what almost destroyed Apple during the 1990s. Instead, we try to create great products that people will love to use and we'll make money because of that, we just have faith that that's going to happen." This isn't an idea that's original with me. "Built to Last" by James Collins talks about how the best companies, like Harley Davidson, another example, don't do what they do to make money, they want to provide people with this concept that they're free when they're out on the open road and they're very vocal about that. So I think that people starting blogs should not be doing it thinking "What is the best way for me to make money right now?" They should instead be focusing on other goals. "What's the best way that I can help my readers achieve X?" where X might be managing their stock market portfolio or learning how to save, or whatever, and then money will follow.

Jaime: So you need to have a core mission before you go out.

J.D.: Absolutely. I strongly believe that.

Jaime: So tell me this, though - because from what you're saying it sounds as though it's really about the content and with the competition that we have out there today, starting a blog, everybody comes to me and Pat Flynn and all of my friends and they say "Tell us what to write. How do we make the most amazing content ever? And is that enough?" because nowadays there is great, amazing content. There's also a lot of crappy content, but with the amount of amazing content that's out there, how can you separate yourself? Is content enough to separate yourself?

J.D.: I have to believe that it is. Not just in blogs but everywhere. What I have preached for years, speaking of blogging conferences, is tell your story. You're not going to differentiate yourself just by being another person out there saying "You should invest in index funds because of this reason," because there are already thousands of articles out there about investing in index funds because of this reason. Instead, you need to write an article saying "Here's how I used to invest and here were my results but once I switched over to index funds, oh look, I could stop worrying, my returns improved, and so on," and you need to write an article where, instead of saying "You need to save an emergency fund because if you don't you'll be in trouble," you write about your own experience. Just before we starting recording you and I were talking about I got hit with a surprise tax bill this year and so I had to take from my emergency fund - that's what it's there for - and I paid my taxes with that and now I need to replenish my emergency fund. So write about that, tell a story - that's how you differentiate yourself. You will alienate some readers who don't identify with your situation. Mr. Money Mustache is a great example - he alienates a lot of people who find him too brash or arrogant but at the same time he has a passionate following. He has built amazing traffic in a short amount of time because he tells his story and he's not shy about it.

Jaime: People don't necessarily know but they can check out the site - he rose very quickly in the personal blogger niche which was very full with lots and lots of other people.

J.D.: It was so saturated that you couldn't.

Jaime: Exactly. J.D. and I both spoke at FinCon last year - it's a financial blogger's conference, we were totally cool. Being able to look at the rising stars and go "What are they doing?" do you think his USP, the thing that separated him, was his content or was it something else?

J.D.: It's his story and it is that he has a slightly different message to most people. Mr. Money Mustache preaches what most people will consider extreme personal finance. He argues that instead of just saving 5% or 10% or 20% of your income you should be saving 50% or 70% and he goes into the reasons why and he doesn't listen to excuses. When people say "I can't save 50% because of blank," he says "Everybody has an excuse for why they can't save it. If you want to live by your excuses then it's never going to work. The people who overcome their excuses are the ones who are going to be successful and retire early." He writes a lot about early retirement and how it's achieved and overcoming your personal barriers to that so his USP is that, first of all, it's him and his personality and his story and, secondly, his message is slightly more extreme than other people's. In my case, with Get Rich Slowly, I think my story was part of what made me unique and I also had my own message which was the whole Get Rich Slowly theme - you can do it by being slow and measured and not rushing and just being patient.

Jaime: Which is funny because you grew your blog in three years.

J.D.: I know, I know. There are a lot of ironies. In fact right now I'm working on a guest article for Mr. Money Mustache in which I say that I have converted to his way of thinking, which is essentially a get rich quick way of thinking, but it's getting rich quick in the right way where you're using the same habits you would use to get rich slowly but you're magnifying them, you're intensifying them, and that allows you to get rich quickly. It's not some shortcut you're looking for - you're doing the hard things but you're doing them even more.

Jaime: I had M.J. DeMarco on the show - I don't know if you know him or not but he wrote a great book called "The Millionaire Fastlane".

J.D.: Yeah, somebody e-mailed that to me.

Jaime: Great book and a great guy. It's funny because he goes "Get rich quick exists. It totally does. Get rich easy doesn't exist."

J.D.: I love that. That's awesome.

Jaime: That explains it so, so well. I've interviewed so many millionaires and some of them have done it super quick - like yours is quick, we're not talking about a 20 year growth, but you worked your butt off, I know you did.

J.D.: I did, and it cost me a marriage.

Jaime: And that's what sucks too, the sacrifices. So tell me a little bit more about what's in the course because on this show we don't talk about finances that much and I really, really want to get into that side, especially seeing how you came from being not very good with this - you wouldn't have been a millionaire if you had kept going the way you were. There's just no way.

J.D.: I would have been a negative millionaire.

Jaime: Exactly. So tell us what those core principles are that you learned that really made a difference that you think will make a difference in other people's lives.

J.D.: Sure. For the purposes of the Get Rich Slowly course there are several components. One is a weekly e-mail series that lasts for a year and that's just going to be me sending out information on specific topics that I've gleaned over the past 10 years of writing and reading about personal finance - so things like how to get out of debt and so on. The other component and the part that I'm most proud of is this 120 page guide on how to be the CFO of your own life. Again, the principle I'm trying to promote here is if you manage your own life as if you were running a business you will be much more successful with your personal finances. I think everyone understands that a business needs to make a profit in order to survive.

Jaime: The definition of a business, yes.

J.D.: Profit isn't always or I don't think it should always be the goal of a business but the metaphor I use is that to survive our bodies need food and water but the purpose of life is not to eat and drink. That's not the purpose of life, but without eating and drinking we can't do the things that do give us purpose. So that's the same with a business - the purpose of a business is not to make a profit but you can't do whatever your business's purpose is unless you are making a profit, it would just wither and die. I think we all grasp that about business but for some reason we don't understand that the same principle applies to our personal lives and that if we can make a profit in our personal lives then we can pursue whatever our individual passions are. So the Be Your Own CFO guide is structured around providing advice, first of all, on how to get clear on what your purpose actually is - because I think it's very important to have a purpose; if you don't have a purpose you can spend aimlessly because you don't know what your money should be used for ' getting organized, figuring out how you can create a greater profit, because obviously profit is the difference between your expenses and your revenue so you want to boost your revenue in your personal life and cut your expenses so that you can make as much profit as possible and I talk about the best ways to do that, then I talk a little bit about how to get out of debt, smart investing and so on. It was a lot of fun to produce and I think it's great material. When I wrote my first book I was proud of it but I couldn't go out there and say "This is the best work I've ever done," because I didn't feel that way. In this case, I can. I feel like Be Your Own CFO is the best thing I've ever made.

Jaime: That's awesome. I have your first book - I actually won it in a contest and you signed it for me. That video that I made for you, for that contest, way back when, when I was a baby blogger, has 150,000 views on YouTube right now, or something like that, which is crazy.

J.D.: I never connected that together. Now I do, because we talked about it at WDS once. That's funny, okay.

Jaime: Thank you. That was the first video that I ever recorded, by the way. I think I recorded it 30 times. I could not get it and I was shaking. Now I do this all the time, so thanks for pushing me out of my comfort zone, J.D. So give me one really cool tip from the guide that somebody might be able to take. Because we've heard a lot of stuff before, like "You should do this, you should do this," and, logically, we know, but actually changing our lives is different. So give us one tip that somebody can really take to heart and implement right now. I'm putting you on the spot.

J.D.: That's a great question. I've mentioned how you need to boost your profit in order to be successful with your personal finances, and to do that you've got to cut expenses and increase your revenue. Most personal finance websites will talk about little ways that you can do that - they talk about clipping coupons, taking a sack lunch - and these are all great, I have no problem with frugality and thrift, these are great habits to build, but if you want to have a profound impact on your personal finances you have to pursue what I call "big wins" and big wins require what might seem like sacrifices but they produce immediate results in a huge way; they make a huge impact on your bottom line. I'm going to use a relatively extreme example here - in the United States the second largest expense for most families is transportation. The largest expense is housing. If you can cut your transportation expense in half you can free up, I have to do some math here real quick, I think about $350 a month, on average. Don't quote me on that, that's just me doing quick math in my head. $350 a month, on average, just by making the decision today that you're going to cut your transportation expenses in half, whatever that means for you - whether that's selling a car, biking to work, walking, whatever. Reducing your transportation expenses is a way to make a huge impact on your bottom line today and yet most people aren't willing to do that. They look at their personal situation and they say "I have to drive a car because of X." Again, I've mentioned this a couple of times in this interview, any time you do that, say "I have to do this because of something else," you're making excuses and you need to realize that this is a choice and if driving a car or whatever else is so important to you that you can't give it up then you're not necessarily going to be able to reach your goals. If your goal is to become a millionaire, it's going to take you longer to reach that goal if you choose to drive a car instead of riding a bike and walking. Maybe for you that's a choice you're willing to make but I say that, for me, I've opted to live in a walkable neighborhood where I can bike almost everywhere and I can ride a motorcycle and I drive the car as little as possible and it's made a huge different on my financial life. So look for the big wins, that's what I would argue, and the three biggest wins are cutting your housing costs, that's by far the largest, reducing your transportation costs and also boosting your income. Boosting your income can actually, potentially, be the largest, because theoretically there's no limit on how much you can make and focusing on that is a great way to boost your profit.

Jaime: I have to tell this story 'I never tell stories, I try to shut up as much as I can, but when I got out of debt we had a two month old car, it was brand new, and I went to my husband one day and said "I think we should sell it," and he was like "No, that's dumb," and I made him sit down and read that book by Dave Ramsey and he wouldn't read the book, he would only read the chapter about cars. He came out and said "I think we should sell the car too." It was a $19,000 car, a Honda Civic, and we bought a crappy car that broke down all the time which was so tough for me because I was so emotionally attached to the Honda. I researched forever and it was such an emotional decision. We only lost $1,000 selling it so that took our debt down by $15,000 like that, which was a huge win at the beginning. The funny part is, and I haven't told this part of the story yet because I wrote the book a long time ago, but I just bought that car with cash two months ago, the newer version.

J.D.: That's awesome.

Jaime: I'm like "Here's $19,000. I'm buying the car that I wanted way back when and couldn't have."

J.D.: I think that's a fantastic story and I'm going to ask you to retell it later. It points to something that's very important - I think when a lot of people think about saving and the future they think of it as sacrifice but it's not really sacrifice, it's deferred spending. The money that you're setting aside is still going to be spent, it's just not going to be spent today. You're saying "Okay, I choose not to spend it on immediate pleasures. Instead, I'm going to be able to spend it on my future freedom." I think that's one of the important things that I've learned through interacting with Mr. Money Mustache and his mustachians is that this culture of saving where we often see it as a sacrifice is not a sacrifice at all - it's an option to spend it on future freedom.

Jaime: I love the way you said that. I appreciate that. We have to start wrapping up - the last question I always ask is what's one action listeners can take this week to help move them forward towards their goal of $1 million?

J.D.: I would say that the one action I would recommend to people is to sit down and get clear on what your goals are. Maybe ask yourself "Why do I want $1 million?" More than that, ask yourself what you want out of life - what is your purpose? What brings you joy? What's your why? What-s your reason for existence? That might sound all new agey and touch feely but it's not. If you're not clear on why you're doing the things that you're doing it's too easy to get distracted and to do things, not just financial things but other things, that defeat your purpose. So get clear on what your focus is so that you can stay clear on it when times are tough.

Jaime: I love that. It sounds so intangible, although I'm sure you talk about it in your guide and I've talked about it in my book and you've talked about it. Having that is huge.

J.D.: I have a book here - "How to Get Control of Your Time and Your Life" by Alan Lakein. This is a book about time management but, more than that, it has a lot of stuff about getting clear on purpose and it has a chapter called"What do you really want from life?" its chapter five. This is a very short book and it's very accessible. In there, he goes through an exercise about how people can set priorities for their life. Again, he's approaching it from a time management perspective but I think this is applicable to anyone who wants to get a better idea of their direction and purpose.

Jaime: It's so insane how it bleeds through every piece of your life - your money, your business, your family, with everything. That's one of the reasons why it's so important. Thank you so much, J.D. I really, really appreciate it. Where can we find more about you and your guide and all that fun stuff?

J.D.: Well I continue to write at GetRichSlowly.org. I also have a personal site called More Than Money that lives at jdroth.com and this year I'm in the middle of a series where I'm writing about overcoming fear, choosing happiness and defining what personal and financial independence are. It's been a lot of fun for me. When I write about money I'm not really writing about money, I'm writing about happiness, and I've always felt that. Then, of course, I have the new Get Rich Slowly course which consists of 52 weekly e-mails, 18 interviews with financial experts - I'm about to record a 19th with Jaime after we're done here - it also has a 120 page guide to become the CFO of your own life, and that can be found at MoneyToolbox.com.

Jaime: Wonderful. Thank you so much for coming on the show today, J.D. I really appreciate it. I've been wanting to have you on the show forever. I'm so excited you said yes. Thanks so much.

J.D.: Thank you.

Jaime: It's so crazy seeing J.D. go from what he was before to where he is now and I know how important really getting a handle on your money is because I know how important it was for me so if you want to check out the Get Rich Slowly guide that we were talking about throughout the whole thing just go to EventualMillionaire.com/grs and you can check that out. I think it's only $39 so it's super inexpensive and hopefully it will start to give you that foundation that you really need in order to become an Eventual Millionaire. So, again, check it out at EventualMillionaire.com/grs. I hope you enjoyed the interview today - have an amazing day.

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